Magnetic Workholding, 5-Axis Vices, and Constant Improvements

Wade Anderson:

Hey, manufacturing world, welcome to another episode of Shop Matters, sponsored by Okuma America. I'm your host for today's episode, Wade Anderson. Today I'm excited, I've got a good friend of mine from SCHUNK USA here with me, Michael Gaunce. Michael is the Vice President of Sales for SCHUNK USA. So welcome, Michael.

Michael Gaunce:

Yeah. Thanks. I'm happy to be here, Wade. Good to see you.

Wade Anderson:

Fantastic. So, tell us a little bit about yourself. How long have you been with SCHUNK? What did you do before that? How'd you get involved in this crazy industry that we live in?

Michael Gaunce:

Yeah. So, like you said, I'm the VP of sales at SCHUNK, for SCHUNK USA. I've been at SCHUNK for eight years. And it's kind of a funny and serendipitous story in many ways, how I came into manufacturing. I was just chatting about this with my colleague in Chicago last week, and manufacturing is a really interesting industry, and I've loved to be in this industry, it's done very well by me and it's really interesting.

Michael Gaunce:

So, before I was at SCHUNK, I was at a company called DocMagnet and we were designing specialty magnetic workholding and magnetic lifting.

Wade Anderson:

Okay.

Michael Gaunce:

Well, prior to that, I was at NC State, so NC State University, a little ways down the road from here, and I was studying physics. And that's what I got my degree in was I got a BS in physics. And I graduated in 2012. And the funny thing was is that about a year before I graduated, my old soccer coach called me and he asked if I wanted to interview for a design engineering position with him. He was the owner of the company, and he just was looking for a designer to help kind of carry on his legacy, and it was him and his son doing halftime accounting, and also another technician designer who was doing the controls and also helping to design and build the magnets that we were designing.

Michael Gaunce:

And so, he called me and asked if I wanted to interview to be a designer with him. And I said, "Yeah, sure." Honestly, I had no idea what I was going to do when I left college, I was actually looking into possibly traveling the world and... I don't know, there was this thing called WWOOF-ing or something like that, where you could go work on farms around the world. Like I said, I had no clue what I wanted to do. And he called me and asked if I wanted to interview to be a designer and I did. And I came by and that got me into it.

Michael Gaunce:

Before I knew it, I was working 5:00 AM to 9:00 AM with him, and then I was going to school, and then I'd come back and work 2:00 PM to 5:00 PM. He needed the help, obviously, business was growing quickly and so I was designing special electro-permanent magnetic workholding systems with him. I owe a lot to him, his name was Simon Barton actually, and he taught me everything I knew and really gave me a start in the industry.

Michael Gaunce:

So, while I was working there, he was teaching me about designing special electro-permanent magnetic workholding. So, a year after me being full-time and after I graduated, he had a stroke in about 2013, late 2013. And by that time, we'd actually grown from three people to eight people in a really short period of time. And the business was bootstrapped, and we tried to keep the business running as long as we could, but with him mostly out of commission at that point, it was tough. So, we ended up closing the doors in 2015 and that's how I ended up at SCHUNK. But in that time, trying to keep a family business running, and I was thrown into the deep end as well because I was just trying to keep orders coming in and we were designing and building special systems at DocMagnet.

Michael Gaunce:

And I remember just going out to Houston and getting thrown in with the sharks, trying to figure out how to swim, and calling on oil and gas industry, working with distribution, trying to just bring in business, and then figuring out how to pay the employees every two weeks. So once that closed, I ended up at SCHUNK. Long story for your short question, but ended up at SCHUNK as a sales engineer, and then kind of came up through the technical roles at SCHUNK.

Wade Anderson:

That reminds me of the old... there's an old story about a tree that grows with no wind doesn't have any roots. So, it's actually a very weak tree once it grows to full size, but trees that experience storms and hard winds and things of that nature develop really big, strong roots. So, some of what you went through sounds like kind of set the roots for what you're doing today in an executive world.

Michael Gaunce:

It really did. And that's actually something I look for a lot when even hiring people too, is that coming from small businesses, it teaches you a lot about ownership and seeing the bigger perspective. It's not just about the one role that you're doing here, it's seeing how it all connects to ultimately lead to the bigger picture for the business. And a lot of people coming from small businesses, they've seen that, and it helps them to fulfill their more role successfully.

Wade Anderson:

Yeah. No, that's excellent. Jim King, our president, he kind of helped me with that years ago. I was a regional sales manager at the time, and he pulled me in, wanted me to take over our tech centers, a couple of other different roles, and that was one of the things he told me. He said, "You are really focused on you and your territory and what you are doing for yourself and your family, I need you to pull back and look at things from a broader perspective and look at what you do and how it affects the entire organization." That was a whole different perspective for me at the time so...

Michael Gaunce:

Yeah, it's really important. Like I said, when hiring people, and I find myself now, I don't know if it was this new title I got or something, but I find myself giving more unsolicited advice than... It's horrible, honestly. But I see the younger generation coming in and we have an apprentice program at SCHUNK in North Carolina and I always just want to take the opportunity to talk with them about what they want to do and help kind of guide them just to ask them questions about what they want to do and where they want to go because a lot of times they just don't know. And one of the biggest pieces of advice that I give to these people coming through and just really early on in their career, as I said, the best thing you can do is don't wait to be told what to do at an organization. Now, granted, the organization is going to require certain things from you, so you don't just go rogue, right? But don't wait to be told what to do, figure out how your skills bring the organization value and try, and do those things that bring the organization value, figure out how you bring the organization value. And that's on you, don't wait for the organization to ask you to do something explicitly.

Wade Anderson:

Right. Yep. I had a gentleman, I used to work for another company, I was an application engineer, fairly strong AE, was really good at what I did, and he pulled me outside one day and he said, "You're the best sales guy that we've got and you're not in sales, you're an AE." And he said, "I don't know if you realize this, but you should be on the other side of what I'm doing." It was a guy named Jack Conley, he was the best sales guy for that company, probably one of the best ones I've ever met. And so, he was the one that kind of gave me the nudge to say, "Hey, why don't you think about doing something other than what you're doing currently?" I'd never thought about it before that.

Wade Anderson:

And now I look back and all my years at Okuma I've had like eight different job titles and done all sorts of different things, not all of it's sales related, or outside sales exactly, but a lot of everything I've done has been sales related in how it affects the overall good of the company. And there's so many more careers out there than what I think people realize. So I think you spending time talking to younger people, especially in the apprenticeship programs and things, very important because there's times you're used to what you're exposed to, and you get the blinders on, you think, "This is the only path I've got," where if you can take a broader look, there's a lot of different paths in this manufacturing world we live in.

Michael Gaunce:

No, that's true. And you don't always see that-

Wade Anderson:

Yeah.

Michael Gaunce:

... until you just get in and you try things out.

Wade Anderson:

Right.

Michael Gaunce:

I recognize that that was one of the things that I was missing. I think that's why when I was getting ready to graduate that I didn't know what I wanted to do is because I didn't get out there and try things. And so, it's great. I love when I can see people who are already here, they're already trying things, and you want to embrace that and make sure that they're going to continue to stay there and try things out because that's how you figure out what you want to do because there's so many things it's hard to explain what the possibilities are as an application engineer or designer-

Wade Anderson:

Right.

Michael Gaunce:

... or even working in sales in this industry.

Wade Anderson:

Mm-hmm.

Michael Gaunce:

It's hard to see those things or to describe them to someone and have them know, "Oh, that's what I want to do." You kind of need to experience it.

Wade Anderson:

Yeah.

Michael Gaunce:

It's really interesting though. I didn't know you came from the application engineering side.

Wade Anderson:

Yeah. Long, long story, but I started out actually programming Salvagnini sheer press and brake system. Moved to Charleston, South Carolina, a whole other long story, but went to work for a company called Holset Turbo, it was part of Cummins back then, and that was the first chip that I ever cut was actually on an Okuma lathe, an old, LB15 that they had.

Wade Anderson:

So went from there to another little job shop, and then I went to work for another OEM company prior to Okuma. So that's kind of where I got involved in the machine tool side of things. Never thought this is where I would be when I first started out, very much to what you're saying.

Wade Anderson:

When I was in high school, I'd have never dreamt that I'd wind up being a machinist someday, just wasn't in my line of vision. Now you fast forward and I can't imagine doing anything differently so...

Michael Gaunce:

Same here.

Wade Anderson:

Yeah.

Michael Gaunce:

I think about that a lot. I could have never imagined myself here. When I made a brief speech at my rehearsal dinner for my wedding, I said, "I haven't really planned exactly so much of what I want to do, and I'm always impressed by people who do know exactly what they want to do. But it feels like it's just a series of choices that you make along the way. So, along the way, make sure you make the right choice because that's what leads you to where you are today." And that's how I feel. I'm here and it's the perfect thing for me right now and I love what I do, and I love the industry and I love the people in the industry, but I could have never predicted I would have been here.

Wade Anderson:

Yeah. Isn't that something?

Michael Gaunce:

Yeah. Yeah. It really is.

Wade Anderson:

So, our conversation kind of went down a whole different path than what I actually brought you in for, but it's a lot of fun though, that's part of what I enjoy doing these things for. Tell me a little bit about SCHUNK, anybody listening, tell us about SCHUNK as a company, and then just some of the newer technologies that you guys are involved in at the moment.

Michael Gaunce:

Yeah. SCHUNK, we're a family-owned company, first and foremost. I'm very proud of that. I'm very close with many of the executives and management team, Mr. and Mrs. Schunk back home in Germany. So, we're a family-owned, Germany company and we are primarily a component manufacturer. And the components that we produce are primarily for the manufacturing industry, metalworking industry to be exact. Our first product was chuck jaws for lathe chucks actually. So, Mr. Heinz-Dieter Schunk, about 75 years ago, they started as a job shop making automotive parts for Porsche. And his first standard product line to be produced was lathe chuck jaws. And from there lathe chucks, tool holders, end of arm grippers, and so on. So, like I said, we're a component supplier, component manufacturer, and where we fit is on the machine table between the machine table and the spindle. So, tool holders in the spindle, and workholding devices on the machine table, and then robot flange, so components to go on the end of the arm of a robot.

Michael Gaunce:

And on the automation side, we've expanded that portfolio to be many other components including linear motion, rotary motion, and so on. But I'm focused on the metalworking side, that's kind of been my background, as I mentioned, with the electro-permanent magnetic workholding devices. So workholding and toolholding is where I'm focused on for the metalworking industry.

Wade Anderson:

So being as you got such a deep history on magnetic workholding, let's talk about that a little bit. What are some of the applications? We currently just installed one on a MB-80V that we've got on the floor, we were doing some testing for some of the IMTS work we're doing, which would be another topic here in a minute, but tell me about magnetic workholding and where's the sweet spot for using that type of component?

Michael Gaunce:

Yeah, it's a great question because that's one of the most important things to be able to distinguish because magnetic workholding can sometimes be a black box or mysterious. But magnets just like any workholding device have their place, and if you know that place, they can be really, really good. They're great for achieving flat and parallelism. First of all, it can't be aluminum, it has to be some sort of ferrous material.

Wade Anderson:

Ferrous material. Right.

Michael Gaunce:

Yeah. Actually, when I first started at SCHUNK, one of my first applications was on an Okuma MILLAC. I think the table was maybe 40 by 80 or something like that.

Wade Anderson:

Okay. Yep.

Michael Gaunce:

A larger table.

Wade Anderson:

Right.

Michael Gaunce:

And we put four magnets on this table, and what they were doing was steel plates. The steel plates were about 10 inches by 24 inches or so. And the reason they were using magnets, they actually wanted to achieve really high material removal rates and they were having some problems with chatter. Because if you think about it, to hold steel plates, especially larger steel plates, there's only so many ways you can do it. You can have some edge clamps or some toe clamps, or maybe you can bolt it straight down to the table, but all of those, they're still only making point contact or you're having to move them, move them around to be able to access the whole workpiece. And with magnets, you have complete access to the entire surface without moving anything around and it gives really good vibration reduction qualities.

Wade Anderson:

Okay.

Michael Gaunce:

But to kind of take a step back and just bring that together again, where do magnets fit? Large steel plates are great. The rule of thumb I like to give is that if it's 8.5 by 11 in terms of area in contact with a magnet, you're going to have enough force to do whatever kind of machining you need comparative to a traditional type of workholding.

Wade Anderson:

Okay. A vice or something like that.

Michael Gaunce:

Exactly.

Wade Anderson:

Right.

Michael Gaunce:

So, magnets have really good vibration reduction qualities and they're also great for achieving flat and parallel because you're going right down on the table and you're making sure you're pulling it down in the Z.

Wade Anderson:

Mm-hmm.

Michael Gaunce:

I was working with these apprentices one time trying to get this plate parallel and they were clamping it with a vice, and it was three-quarters of an inch thick. As soon as you start clamping it, you're introducing a little bit of bending stress. Well, the nice thing about a magnet is you're just pulling it down. And so, for sure, you're going to get really good parallelism. Now, flatness, magnets can also deal with by having self-shimming or self-leveling poles-

Wade Anderson:

Okay.

Michael Gaunce:

... so, they're not distorting the workpiece.

Wade Anderson:

So, I was wondering about that, how flat does the workpiece need to be to start with before you are able to utilize the magnet?

Michael Gaunce:

Yeah. Let's say you need to machine a plate flat and parallel within one-thousandths of an inch or something like, two-thousandths of an inch. When you're starting with rough plate, the top tooling that goes on top of the magnet, they make self-leveling poles that can move up and down to the workpiece. And what you do is you use three fixed poles and then the rest are self-leveling.

Wade Anderson:

So, you establish your plane off the three and then let everything adjust up to it.

Michael Gaunce:

Exactly. And so, when you clamp on that first operation, you're not distorting the workpiece at all, you're clamping it in its natural position, free state machining, essentially.

Wade Anderson:

Right.

Michael Gaunce:

So, on your first operation, you can get really good flatness. And the only stresses that you're going to see are the stresses that are inherent in the material and then what you introduce when you're cutting. But there's no workholding stresses. So now you have really good flatness, flip it over, and then don't use the self-leveling poles, suck it straight down to the magnet, and then you get really good parallelism.

Wade Anderson:

Okay. Yeah.

Michael Gaunce:

And the cool thing is with a magnet too, is you can also, you can clean the top surface. One of the first things you do when you can install a magnet on your machine table is you dust the surface of the magnet, and you know now that it's exactly parallel to your...

Wade Anderson:

To the machine.

Michael Gaunce:

Yeah.

Wade Anderson:

Right. So, you're making it square to the world basically at that point.

Michael Gaunce:

Exactly.

Wade Anderson:

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. What all does it take to actually install it to the machine? Is there any tie into the control itself? Are you able to wire up off of a separate drop?

Michael Gaunce:

Yeah. What a lot of people will do is you can wire into the drop for the machine, you can actually tie into the power of the machine, provided it's 480, you just have a separate breaker there, or you can have a drop to the control unit separately. But what you need is 480 volts, and it's a single-phase that goes to the control unit. In terms of the install of the magnet on the machine, the magnet just bolts to the machine table. And the nice thing about milling magnets, the electro-permanent ones, which is mostly what you see out there is electro-permanent, what that means is that there's permanent magnets inside of the assembly, the magnetic table, and all you're doing with the power is just a switch from on to off. So the nice thing is you don't have any power in the machine, you install the control unit outside of the machine, the magnet on the table, and then when you want to energize the magnet, you plug in the plug from the control unit into the magnet, power it on, remove the plug, and you're good. So, it's actually quite simple. As long as you have 480 volts, it's an easy installation.

Wade Anderson:

Right.

Michael Gaunce:

Does chip contamination, does that become an issue?

Michael Gaunce:

It's something you always have to think about yeah. But for the most part, once you're familiar with it, and as long as the material... If you're using it in an ideal scenario, like we said, with large plates that are half-inch thick or thicker, you don't see any problems with chips. The places where chips come in is if you have a really thin plate, it means there's not enough material there to absorb all the magnetism so what happens is you now have this stray magnetism, and it starts accumulating extra chips and stuff like that. But if you have three-quarters of an inch thick plate, when you're milling that top surface, you don't see any chips getting stuck.

Wade Anderson:

Okay. What about contours? Can you basically mill a shape into that magnet to hold a contoured part?

Michael Gaunce:

Yeah, you certainly can. So, one way to do that is you can buy or produce top plates for the magnet is what we call them. And basically, they're either sacrificial or they're permanent, however, you end up using it, but it's nothing more than a mild steel plate with just some slots cut in it to kind of separate the poles of the magnet, but you can mill contours into these plates for whatever shape you need. You can create... I've done that a lot actually is you can create special fixtures with these top plates with locating features on there or you can even cut out holes or something if you need to do some through work on the part. So, it's a great way to design specialized fixtures with magnetic technology.

Wade Anderson:

Yeah. Excellent. What other new technologies or new workholding products does SCHUNK have that you're excited to show? Are you guys debuting anything new at IMTS this year?

Michael Gaunce:

Yeah. There's a few things I'm excited about. Number one, obviously, 5-axis is basically the new norm. It was funny, I was at a shop just last week and he's saying, "Even if it's not continuous 5-axis work, and it's kind of more like 3+2 work, where you're just needing to access all five sides," he's like, "As soon as I see holes in all five faces, it's like I quote it with 5-axis," because he knows it's one setup. Essentially, it's two.

Michael Gaunce:

So, 5-axis is really big. And we have a new 5-axis vice that's really cool, it's called a KSX-C2. But essentially what it is, is it has... the jaws are actually raised up quite high and they have angles on them to allow really good clearance to the workpiece. But what's really cool about this 5-axis vice is that you can move both jaws actually, and then you fix them wherever you want to. So, the way it works is you can move the fixed jaw and then lock it in place where you want. So, it's a fixed jaw vice, but you can move the fixed jaw so that it positions the workpiece where you want it in the machine for ideal access.

Michael Gaunce:

You move the fixed jaw, lock it in place, and then it has two ways of functioning. The first is that you actuate it like a standard vice and the moving jaw just comes in and clamps. But the second is what's really cool is you can actually lock the moving jaw in place where you want, and what it does is it changes the function of the vice so that now when you clamp, both of the main base jaws are locked. And when you clamp, it transitions to a different clamping mechanism and only the top jaw moves. And when the top jaw moves, it has a pull-down effect. So especially for the second operation, it's what this vice is great for, is that it's actually pulling the workpiece down so that you know the Z is exactly set. Especially in the second operation with precision 5-axis work, it's important that you have it pulled down to a stop. And so, this vice it's basically universal, 5-axis vice is great for first operation, great for second operation.

Wade Anderson:

Okay. Now, is it only manual or can you air or hydraulically actuate it?

Michael Gaunce:

That's a good question, actually. They actually developed it in such a way that you can convert the spindle to be a hydraulic spindle if you want as well.

Wade Anderson:

Ah.

Michael Gaunce:

But primarily it's sold as a manual vice, as a universal vice for 5-axis access machining.

Michael Gaunce:

We also have a completely separate line of pneumatic and hydraulic vices. This vice in particular is mostly used as a manual. I was asking one of our machinists in our shop how he liked the vice because that's a great test bed, I always walk out to our shop-

Wade Anderson:

Yeah.

Michael Gaunce:

... to ask the machinists what they think.

Wade Anderson:

That's great.

Michael Gaunce:

Yeah.

Wade Anderson:

Yep.

Michael Gaunce:

I won't tell you about the times when I go and ask them what they think about a new product and they're like, "I don't like it," so... "Tell me why."

Wade Anderson:

Right.

Wade Anderson:

Especially in your role, right?

Michael Gaunce:

Yeah, exactly. But this vice, I was talking to one of our machinists and he said one of his favorite things about it was the clearances that it has because he said, "Yeah, I was just machining this part and I was able to use a really short, stubby tool holder and get right up on the face," and he wasn't having to use extended gauge length tool holders or extended tooling to get right up on the face of the vice behind the jaws. So even those clearances, all of those little things that make a big difference.

Wade Anderson:

You're right. Yep.

Michael Gaunce:

Yeah.

Wade Anderson:

Especially in 5-axis, there's so many areas where "the gotchas", right? The clearances and swinging into a clamp that you didn't realize was there on a piece of workholding, things like that. It's so crucial. And it's where tools like VERICUT and people like that, so important. We have a product called 3DVM, but it gives you a chance to visualize what your path looks like going around the part, and that's where so much of the upfront work to be successful in what's coming out at the finished product depends on how good you're doing upfront work, utilizing all these tools to streamline that process, keep that spindle operating, right? So, you know when it hits the floor, you're good, you're going to have the clearances you need, and you can start making chips quicker.

Michael Gaunce:

Yeah. And I think a lot of times it's those little things that go a long way too. It just reminds me, you mentioned what products I'm excited about, along the same lines, we just launched a new chuck, the THW3, it's our quick jaw change chuck. But it's the little things. This chuck actually has chamfers on the OD between the three jaws. Once again, I'm talking to a machinist about this chuck and he's like, "Oh, what I really like is those chamfers, it's giving me better access when I come in with a live tooling to machine maybe a hole or drill and tap a hole on the OD of a part on a lathe."

Michael Gaunce:

And it's those little things. That THW3 chuck, it's thinking about all those things and hearing the feedback from the machinists, from the people who are using the products and integrating those into the products. You have to have that iteration because it's about the people who are using your products, and those features go a long way even though sometimes they seem to be small things-

Wade Anderson:

Mm-hmm.

Michael Gaunce:

... they make the big differences.

Wade Anderson:

Absolutely. We use all of our machines in production, so our Dream Site plants, it's interesting to walk through and see all the double columns, all the big horizontals, and things like that. And then two years later, you find new iterations to our current products, and it's because, to your point, it's feedback that they got from watching these machines in production for a couple of years, our sludgeless tank. Now in a lot of our horizontals, you can order the sludgeless tank, and the way they move the coolant through the tank and all the corners are rounded, and there's just some really neat features on how this thing was designed that doesn't allow cast iron stuff to sit in corners and build up that becomes maintenance problems. So, it's getting that feedback from the people that are driving these things every day that really makes a difference on what your next generation of product is going to look like.

Michael Gaunce:

Exactly. And you get that from the people who are using it, the customers, and-

Wade Anderson:

Yeah.

Michael Gaunce:

... it's how a lot of standard products get designed as well is you make something special and you're like, "Oh, that request, they were onto something there. It's good feedback they were giving us." Yeah, that's exactly how you end up there.

Wade Anderson:

Yep. You guys going to be at IMTS this year?

Michael Gaunce:

Yeah. I'm super excited. We'll be in the same spot in the west hall.

Wade Anderson:

What are you forecasting? Think it's going to be big?

Michael Gaunce:

Yeah. I have a physics degree, but I'm not necessarily one for numbers, I go by the feel, and I tell you what I'm really excited about it. Just getting out there, the contrast of what COVID has brought of working from home and being removed from our colleagues and coworkers on a regular basis. When I do get out, I see a need and a desire to get back out and engage. And I think it's going to be big. This is just my prediction, regardless of what anyone says, I think it's going to be huge attendance as long as nothing unforeseen comes about. I'm really excited about it. I think it's going to be huge.

Wade Anderson:

We're all in as well. We've got 16 machines going. I know we're going to have a lot of your-

Michael Gaunce:

Nice.

Wade Anderson:

... products in a lot of them so we're all in and looking for a big show so...

Michael Gaunce:

Yeah. I'm glad to hear that. 16 machines, it's always...

Wade Anderson:

Yeah. Yeah, it's...

Michael Gaunce:

I'm always so impressed by what you do.

Wade Anderson:

It's always a big production, but to your point, this is one of the last industries that I think where all the sales, all the service, all the support, we're still very relational, we all have close relationships to our customers, and I think that's such a big thing. Being locked down, we did the virtual IMTS two years ago. I think it's great that everybody is going to get back out, and it's like a family reunion sometimes. You go to IMTS, you see everybody that you know in the industry, you see customers that you deal with here and there, but you don't see every day. And it's a great opportunity to see everybody in one spot so we're looking forward to it.

Michael Gaunce:

I agree. I remember when I saw you at Gosigerfest-

Wade Anderson:

Yeah.

Michael Gaunce:

... last fall. And that was one of my first events kind of getting back out there since the pandemic and-

Wade Anderson:

Right.

Michael Gaunce:

... I feel like I was just walking around everywhere, just a huge smile on my face, so just seeing people... I mean, give me a few more events and we'll start to-

Wade Anderson:

Yeah.

Michael Gaunce:

... sometimes feel back-

Wade Anderson:

Burnt out.

Michael Gaunce:

Yeah. Exactly. But I remember that event, I was walking around just big smiles, like, "Hey, Wade, how's it going?"

Wade Anderson:

That awkward... when you walk up to somebody, do you fist bump? Do you shake hands? Do you not do anything? But-

Michael Gaunce:

Yeah.

Wade Anderson:

... I think we're kind of over some of that now so...

Michael Gaunce:

I sure hope so.

Wade Anderson:

Very good.

Michael Gaunce:

Yeah.

Wade Anderson:

Well, Michael, it was great having you here. I appreciate you taking the time joining us. For anybody that wants to learn more about SCHUNK or your products, what's the best way to go about finding you?

Michael Gaunce:

SCHUNK.com, or on YouTube, SCHUNK USA, those are two great ways to find us. Or come by our facility in Raleigh, North Carolina.

Wade Anderson:

Yeah. Yeah.

Michael Gaunce:

Anytime.

Wade Anderson:

It's a beautiful place.

Michael Gaunce:

Yep.

Wade Anderson:

All right. And thank you for joining us. If you have any thoughts, ideas, or questions for future episodes, please reach out to me, you can find me on LinkedIn or reach out to me at Okuma. Until next time, we'll see you then.